Westwind and The Crimson Order
Posted: 20 Apr 2019, 01:12
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Westwind wrote:Gatesville's support was needed for the path we ended up taking, I needed their endorsements to secure TNP. The Fee for Gatesville's support was a No vote against UN/WA Resolutions. I was already inclined to vote against most resolutions, so that was easy. (The UN became the WA during my Delegacy) I seem to recall Gatesville having some conditions in regards to others we were working with, but I can't recall specifically. There was a lot of negotiation, a lot of back and forth to arrange the cooperation we needed.
Region A wants everyone to have Policy Z
Region B will accept Policy Z, if Region A will endorse their ally Region C
And so on, and so forth for weeks. I didn't think we'd get there, some of the conditions being requested were frivolous, and some probably purposely difficult.
And we needed to advance arrangements for each possible plan as far as possible before a decision point would come. And do that without letting the right hand know what the left toe was doing to keep it from unraveling.
Appearances had to be maintained.
Creating a new multi-regional organization, whether it was lead by ADN or The Crimson Order, whether it was Defender or Raider or Hybrid....the new dynamic was the goal to renew activity. The depth of negotiations were required to create that organization as The Crimson Order, an alliance of regions led by The Crimson King, Delegate of The North Pacific and King of Equilism. The CO was Equilism and TNP, and Gatesville, and The Last Kingdom and others.
The state of NS was inactive. Influence had diminished Gameplay. Max was absent and high on NS2. Mods might take a month to reply to a nation restoration request. And the number of nations was declining. There had been the Neutral Territory Conference in early 2007 with 150 participating regions where many ideas to bring new activity to the game were discussed, and many dismissed. But there were useful ideas, and some were pursued to one degree or another of success. The Deadwood Region proposals, The Destroyers proposals, and the concept that NS needed a 'bad guy' to rally against.
I'd done that during 'The Schism' in Equilism, so I knew how to play the bad guy, I just needed a GCR to do it with. I was already King of Equilism so the Monarchist theme would carry over into The Crimson Order.
I helped Monte Ozarka a bit on writing the Constitution that eventually passed by one vote in TNP (Grosse casting the deciding vote). I then ran for Delegate, with John Ashcroft Land as my opponent, and won the election.
So then I needed to be provocative while still working towards all options. Things like appointing Blue Wolf to my cabinet, a move defenders didn't like, was provocative. It was seen as a sign I was moving to change TNP Raider. Defenders didn't like it, and raiders were ready to support it. Instant dichotomy.
When I announced ending The North Pacific Army for a new army, everyone automatically assumed it would be Raider. Not once did I say I was going to do that, it was always presumed. If the forum admin had cooperated and renamed it for me, I could have used it to usher in the new ADN, or a hybrid military.
So that was the decision point that ended the ADN option. Grosse and Flem's Admin actions/inactions made the decision. The political maneuvering to stop me from changing the name, was the final trigger, to abandon both the constitution and the forum. Before that point, the constitution was still safe on the new forum. If he'd have listened to me, talked to me, cooperated with me, it would have all been different.
But it wasn't.
Oh...side thought, I had also established ADN in NS2 at the same time, so I was ready to marry NS1 ADN and NS2 ADN as part of the package, One ADN forum for Both NS.....One ADN forum to Rule Them All!
Things happened quickly once the decision points were reached. I think the only delay was reworking the new forums and throwing together a last minute new Charter. It was based on the Imperial Equilism Charter from The Schism which was based on an ADN Charter proposal Equilism had made (failed and we had ADN:DSA instead), which itself was based on the A.L.L. Charter of which both Equilism and The North Pacific were members. Can't find fault in it's heritage, *chuckles*
A.L.L. lead the Puppetmaster liberation of TNP from Great Bight.
The whole point was to create Gameplay activity that was missing from the game. Gotta work to get a reaction, then respond accordingly to increase the tension and move the game forward.
We did not have a specific flag, although there were some simple graphics made for The Crimson Order forum. We respected our regional members, so each member region's flag is it's own. I think I added a gold edge to the TNP Flag.
I appointed Chaucerin as Steward of Equilism to rule there while I was TNP Delegate as we wanted to maintain the independent identity of each Crimson Order member region.
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I started with Great Bights Mum as my Vice, and I let her know what I was about to do before I switched forums. So she wasn't entirely blindsided. She asked me not to banject her, she didn't want to lose her rankings. And I didn't. And when it was over and I dropped my WA, Great Bights Mum sent me a telegram and thanked me for dropping so she didn't have to banject me either.
Nastic?
February 9, 2008:
"I have Nastic on board - I will name him Vice Delegate."
"Also.....the allies are restless, so the timetable is advanced."
February 10, 2008:
"As we reach the first 24 hours, all has gone well.
The region is secured, the RMB controlled, the new forum established and active - same for new IRC channel.
Tribunals have begun for the beauracrats.
An update statement has been posted in all TNP Embassies.
An Equilism/TNP Mutual Defense agreement is in draft.
A Valentine's Ball is planned for TNP.
The GiE has named GBM the 'interim' Delegate. She has been swapping and is up to 235.
Nastic as Vice Delegate is up to 154."
And now......the bad news.Hey,
Well done.
At last Gatesville are finally support someone capable.
Good luck.
HC
Thanks for the cool information, Westwind!Westwind wrote: ↑20 Apr 2019, 18:57*tips hat*
From the dusty tomes of The Crimson Order, never opened since 2008....
February 12, 2008:
New Districts and Governorships set in place. The Districts honor old TNP defenders.
Blackshear, Ananke, Free4All, Nastic, Twoslit
The TNP University is under development, HEM named Chancellor.
Telegram campaign being organized.
RMB continues under control.
TLK sending a few nations into TNP.
Fox Rite want formal relations.
L&C - 321
GBM - 251
Haor Chall:
And now......the bad news.Hey,
Well done.
At last Gatesville are finally support someone capable.
Good luck.
HC
NK will be departing, leaving NS gameplay, back to NSG in his original non-gameplay home region. He's said that I'm the 'best boss he's ever worked for, the only one that's ever done anything.' But, he feels it's his time. Don't let him know you are aware of it. Let him tie up his loose ends and depart in his own fashion.
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Not that I can recall, I was the big bad guy from The Schism in Equilism that turned Equilism away from pure Defenderism. The truth of The Schism being carried out cooperatively by both 'sides' in that conflict to create activity to save Equilism was largely unknown at that time.
....just Sir Lans and Flem telling people that I'm killing the game. Interesting that they think one person has that much power over a game.
Taijitu has been curious, with an influx of them on the new TNP IRC channel. Apparently first thing Flem did is go to them.
Had a long talk with GBM, she thinks it'll be fun. So all is well OOC with her.
That's... Interesting to say the least. Who was in your cabinet? I'm aware that NK, Dali, and JAL/Durk were. Just wondering if there was anybody unusual in it. For example, Codger was a Regional Officer during the NLO I believe.
A pm I recieved from Sir Lans:Sir Lans and Flem both condemned me repeatedly for 'ruining the game', publicly and privately.
Sedge:Thanx WW for removing me as military Liason...not sure what happened to you, but have fun with TLK....and thanx for killing this game and your ideals. (Sorry for the lack of big words)
I'm still waiting 11 years later for defenders to explain how an elected GCR Delegate is an Invader. Defenders threw out the rule book to oppose me.<Sedge> The FRA views Lewis and Clark as an invader
<Felasia> and?
<Sedge> and as such, will be taking standard action when a region is invaded
A very curious conglomerate of opposition has entered TNP and is endorsing GBM...
00000 A World Power (FRA region)
Illuminati
Catlantopia
The Pacific (two nations)
Jolly Roger
Note they claim GBM was elected Vice Delegate, which isnt' true.
Note that z13 has re-established NPA...defenders....yet has strong raider support...and there is a nation flying the NPO flag supporting GBM.
And we thought my coalition was odd.
I suppose it was basically coming together out of the Neutral Territory Conference in January '07. (The Schism in Equilism was the end of '06 after Influence was imposed....Equilism reunified on January 1st '07) I was the only one willing to play 'the lead bad guy', while others were eager to support a bad guy.When did planning for The Crimson Order begin?
Those in Equilism and I had just carried out The Schism, we had no leaks, so we already worked together well and had unbroken trust among us. Supporters from elsewhere approached me. Some I did not follow through with....some were talking to me about moving forward with my Destroyers concept (which was almost exactly the same as TAO's Deadwood concept). Some raiders went ahead with that without me. I remember getting a tg pointing out a series of raids to me "We're doing it!" Doing what? "Your Destroyers plan!" *chuckles*When you first started looking for supporters how did you know who you could trust to keep their mouth shut?
Was there anyone you took a gamble on bringing "into the fold"?
I'm not sure how to answer that. We did replace the government, it just didn't last as I couldn't maintain enough Influence long enough to hold the Delegacy. Influence killed The Crimson Order....but that was lead by RL events. And while I offered a legislative body to the region, no one signed up for it. The opposition claimed it couldn't do anything, and I told them, 'how do you know if you won't try?"If the transition from the government you sought to replace to that of The Crimson Order had been successful, what did you intend to do to revitalize activity? Bar those who'd stifled activity from returning to positions of power? Try new initiatives to encourage activity?
Well, my Delegacy drove them to work with Raiders and Invade a sovereign GCR, and in the end, they won. I think it's probably more important to consider what my Delegacy drove defenders to do.1. How would you say defenderism overall affected your Delegacy?
All of Equilism. Couldn't have happened without them, and there was no one I could trust more, and no one there I couldn't trust. God Bless them!2. As King of The Crimson Order, who would you say helped you the most?
Those kind of go together. I would say my biggest failure, outside of bad RL circumstances, was that I didn't designate someone to take over from me. That's the one thing I would change. I would have appointed Dalimbar.3. If you were to stay Delegate, did you have a successor or heir you wanted to become Delegate after you?
4. If you could change anything about TCO, what would it be?
5. How did you make the transition from TNP to TWP?
I do, yes. Other former TNP 'Rogue' Delegates have become delegate again in TNP. I was asked to participate in some history talks there once. I just don't feel I would be comfortable there. And I can't stand overly legalistic/bureaucratic regions like TNP insists upon. I did not participate in the Constitutional conventions in TNP after Delegate Pixiedance, because the political discussion is too toxic. Gotta parse every single word and punctuation and bring useless legal cases to waste folks time. Grosse and Ivan arguing back and forth over a meaning of a word or the position of a period. It's insane. It's not for me.6. Do you think TNP would accept you as a citizen if you moved back and applied with Lewis and Clark?
Nations, Citizens, and Friends of The North Pacific,
I wish to announce my candidacy for UN Delegate of The North Pacific, and ask for your endorsement.
We have come to a critical point in the history of TNP. Our region has weathered a variety of political and military conflicts, and we now face the specter of inactivity in our government at nearly all levels and positions in the region.
My official candidacy announcement can be read on the forum, under Elections:
http://z13.|invisionfree|.com/TNP
I believe that together we can bring pride and prosperity to The North Pacific. Build our community and and be a strong and vibrant region once again.
I ask you today for your endorsement, for UN Delegate of The North Pacific.
Thank you!
I can't think of any particular favorite moment. I suppose the days we launched the Crimson Order and opened the new forums. All the preparations and planning allowed all to go smoothly. It all worked exactly as planned, even though I'd tried to make the other options work first.7. Favorite moment from TCO?
8. How did TCO interact with TRR?
Flem, Great Bights Mum, Grosseschnauzer, Elu, Sedge, Numero Capitan (who was found guilty of spying on Equilism for FRA when Equilism was an FRA ally, long after Crimson Order was over - he was banned)....hard to think back to then.9. Could you name a few of the most prominent opposition members?
Felasia reported on defender's positions:Khark being Khark. I don't even know who invited him there in the first place - I presume it was Brom. And Brom gave him access to the private areas Sunday. I still don't know why, but Brom trusted him for some reason.
Brom has apologized.
Gatesville has established a new forum for war planning.
The Crimson Order was never Destroyer. Two different things. Khark was running a Destroyer operation/group on his own based on those Neutral Territory ideas. I had nothing to do with it.Officially, they only care whether we're invader or defender. Unofficially with some members like Sir Lans, they don't like what West is doing and want to intervene, but they can't because of the charter of FRA. It's mainly because of the Destroyer idea from the Neutral Territory that West once spoke about and they think that TNP is just a start. In my opinion, Destroyer will thoroughly destroy every defender organization that is left. They don't want to fight that kind of gigantic organization because they will lose; it's like the Atlantic Alliance and ADN, but this time there will be no ADN.
Hmmm.....How about this - TNP lost the services and talents of Westwind, and TWP gained them. *chuckles*10. How would you say TCO impacted future TNP?
I think it was a combination, but I don't really recall. I had confidence in my capabilities to pull it off after The Schism in Equilism. And I'd say others had the same confidence and encouraged me. The overall concept was mine, and I was the spearhead of it all. Couldn't have done any of it without help.11. Did anyone convince you to establish TCO or kind of nudge you or was it all you?
Easy. Every time Flem posted on the RMB. Yeah, he turned himself into a real enemy. It wasn't funny.12. Least favorite moment from TCO?
It was becoming harder and harder to eject and ban enough nations each day to hold the Delegacy as my Influence couldn't keep up. I was negotiating the turn over of the Delegacy to Great Bights Mum, when Elu simply stole it. As I said, they didn't negotiate in good faith.13. In the end, how did you lose the Delegacy?
Yes, we became allies with NPO for example, although one day I came online and found my cabinet talking about war with NPO. Talk about the unexpected. Some misunderstanding while I slept had The Pacific and TNP close to war. I was able to work it out with Moo Cow With Guns and settle it down.14. Did any other GCRs or popular UCRs recognize TCO as legitimate?
Stay away from GCR Delegacies when you have RL issues going on.15. Did you learn any lessons from TCO?
My pleasure. *tips hat*Thanks for all your time and nice responses, Westwind, you've been kind and I appreciate that.
I turned down the CN mod offer.I have finally heard from PH. We'll be talking more about it.
Side note - she's offered to make me a mod in CN. *shock*
The new ADN plan was more advanced than the Crimson Order at that point. This was a first meeting. TWP was also contacted, and Delegate TAO indicated interest, but was planning on stepping down as Delegate.A conference for a new organization has now begun. Currently represented are:
Equilism
The North Pacific
Gatesville
The Last Kingdom
The first two naming ideas on the table are:
The Empire
The Crimson Order
Ideas for goals a purposes -
Eliminating Graveyard regions
Imperialism - Region Amalgamation
AdSpam Crusade
Creating/Becoming the new 'Evil' in NS
February 1, 2008I, Westwind, being of tired mind and body, do hearby bequeath.....
TNP's going to be the death of me unless I become a 'rogue' delegate.
The nitpicking, twisted thinking, bound and determined to have processes over every little thing to drag each thing out for weeks......Flem, Grosse, Roman, Sniffles, GBM.......*throws up his hands in frustration*
Can't work with them at all.
And this huge inactive RA membership that never participates except to vote, and then votes with the old guard.
So, I'm going to plan to go rogue soon. Might fail spectacularly, or might get a few interesting weeks in.
I'm just going to plan on this being my swan song. I'm tired. If it fails, thats fine, it's time for me to logoff and call it a day. If it succeeds in anyway, great, I'll see it wherever it goes.
It just isn't going to work though if people don't help. I can't counter an unendorsement campaign myself. Things like that. We'll just see how really interested in this sort of thing anyone is.
It's time to stop talking.
Ivan will be making his swan song starting tonight. He will take the TP delegacy and, in his words....'wage war against NS,' then quit. I won't upstage him.
*hugs West*
If there's anything you need, I'll be around.
Will you still hang out with us? I'd hate to see you go.
If I'm not too terribly hated by then , and I can't keep being one to hold the region together or revive it when inactivity brings things low. If people want it to stay alive they have to be willing to put in the effort for themselves. It was always our goal, Equility and I, for the region to take care of itself. He and I were only to step in when absolutely needed. And we were to take turns doing that.
.....essentially Chauce is the Heir to Equilism.
she wont be the only one. you are the final co founder and even if you quit you will still the head of state.
i would try and propose somthing in the RA if i had the confidece to do so but at the moment i still feel very new to TNP. although all the RA seem intrested in the there university which seams to hold no major advantage in the region.
maybe to sitr up confilct you could but it that equilism is behind this, TNP protoctorate of equilism, would be a good start to the evil campnain
We might want to use this as an introduction of our new organization. I'm already there and if you start it, I'm going to make a hell of a fight with you too. The RA is too bureaucratic and we will end up with another set of inacitivity if it continue like this. The old guard are blinded with their power.
If it fails, then at least stay here with us. I think our community is stronger than any other region with our spamming, RP, and debate. Even if they close NS down tomorrow, I think most of us will still be here. At least I will still be spamming.
Sometime between now and Valentine's day, we'll kick this in. The sooner the better, and if I can pull it off this weekend, that'd be great with me. Don't know if that's practical though.
Looks to me that this will be a one-day thing for Ivan.
I'm writing a Codex for TNP, based on the Imperial Equilism Codex.
Fel, I may just elevate you to the Cabinet there.
Too many might be upset with me as an 'evil guy' for me to stay in Equilism. That's been a consideration before, so I'll depart and leave Equilism to you all if the need arises.
NK said he'd have a speech written for me by tonight.
And I need to talk to Gates.
have a log that indicates Geo_X wanted to invade TNP to take me out on Friday night. We have the evidence to paint them as invaders if needed.
Sir Lans is preaching the line that I've killed the game.
"I wish we could have invaded last night," said the "defender".<Geo_X> when is the douche- err, I mean WW, tearing up the constitution?
<JAL> heh
<JAL> hard to say
<JAL> Depends where his influence goes after the update, etc
<Geo_X> i wish we could have invaded last night
<Geo_X> we just didn't get enough dudes
<JAL> yeah, you'd have needed 40-ish
<JAL> now the gap is nearing 100
<Geo_X> well, when the build-up dies down
<Geo_X> we'll get him back
He said it, not me. *shrugs*They're not worthy of the label Defender.
As *redacted* can attest, now and then there have been some discussions on IRC about what could be done to generate activity in NS. Basically, the conclusion is that what is needed is a way to generate conflict.
The question then leads to - What kind of conflict and how do we generate it?
Some of the ideas that get thrown into the mix have to do with making use of existing dichotomy's such as the Feederite/Userite philosophies. And most all agree that the invader/defender dynamic is secondary side line that no longer lends itself to creating the needed conflict.
*redacted* and I have been discussing a few ideas as well. What we've generally come to is the question - how can we generate interest/activity both internally and externally to Equilism. Are there existing dynamics that we can build upon or direct to create tension and conflict to generate that interest and activity ? And further, how can we do this without resorting to means that have been used and tried before ?
I have also discussed some non-Equilism based ideas with *redacted*. One of the most interesting ones that we have discussed would be a revival of the old Sons of Liberty, which was a defender group that invaded invader regions. A counter-invader group. One of the thoughts along those lines was a Pirate themed group that would base out of TRR and the Pacifics. The group could attack invaders, as well as harrass feeder governments to create additional conflict.
I've also been trying to promote more radical changes in TNP as well. One of the three current Constitution proposals up for vote has a narrow chance of passing, but we will soon see. I have suggested that they should have a Delegate campaign, with each delegate candidate presenting their plan for a new government/theme/etc. It would give the opportunity for NS based voting through endorsements for competing means to organize and run the region. It at least provides the opportunity for real change and interest.
Anyway, that gives you an overview of why you've been invited here, and where discussions are going. I am also interested in recommendations for others to invite to this conversation.
I'm not sure I remember correctly to be honest. I don't have that info handy. I think the Ministerial title was Lord Governor. As in Lord Governor General Grimlock would be Military Minister. I'd have to dig up the Codex/Charter to get the details.1. What was equivalent of the position of Minister/Director in The Crimson Order?
I'd have to say Great Bights Mum. Oh and believe it or not Grosseschnauzer (sp) and I got along fine personally. And Chaucerin and Biyah during The Schism before. Though in their cases, that was a confrontation planned by both parties.2. Do you have a favorite enemy from back then? Who was the best person to fight against while remaining friends or kind to each other OOC?
I don't know that it has, but I'll mention that Milograd told me that The Crimson Order was his inspiration for his Rogue Delegacy.3. How has TCO impacted the GCR governments of today?
I was interested in the Delegacy because I believed I could serve a new GCR well.4. What did you plan on doing in Osiris when it was created? Were you looking for a new home?
I've never frequented the TRR forums, but I usually have puppets in every GCR. I only have puppets in TWP/TP/TEP/Laz at the moment though. I often kept puppets Toltec Warrior or Nemesis Raider here in TRR. *scratches head* If I have them alive at the moment, they'll be in my region The Watchtower. I don't think I'll bother looking right now though.5. I noticed by scrolling through your posts that you congratulated Nai on becoming Delegate after Kandarin have his nation to her. Were you a citizen here?
[18:26] <Moo-Cows> it was Nevadar behind the whole unendo campaign against me
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> for an OOC reason that she was wrong about
[18:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> good greif
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> she got Catlandtopia
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> Domination
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> and even some alliances from CN!!!
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> that was over the top
[18:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> yeah
[18:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> that's b
[18:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> *bs
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> the person who ran the scripts to do it told me about it
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> and apologized
[18:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> at least that's something
[18:27] <Moo-Cows> gave me the logs where it was all organized
I don't think the NPO remembers that they needed our assistance.[15:26] <Moo-Cows> Lewis_and_Clark
[15:27] <Lewis_and_Clark> Aye
[15:33] <Moo-Cows> there's another little plot to overthrow me
[15:33] <Moo-Cows> care to give me some E-Army?
[15:33] <Lewis_and_Clark> I think we can do that
[15:34] <Moo-Cows> thanks
[15:34] <Lewis_and_Clark> np
[15:36] <Lewis_and_Clark> mission posted
[15:37] <Moo-Cows> Nevadar was behind the last one
[15:37] <Moo-Cows> JAL and Blamange are behind this one
[15:37] <Moo-Cows> rumored with Cortath
[15:37] <Moo-Cows> but I'll tallk with Cortath
[15:38] <Moo-Cows> so I'll be in a conference with JAL, Nevadar, Darkesia, Cortath (he did participate with Nevadar)?all who have/are attempting to take the Pacific
[15:38] <Moo-Cows> should be interesting
[15:38] <Moo-Cows> should put that in my sig
[15:38] <Moo-Cows>
[15:38] <Lewis_and_Clark> indeed
[15:38] <Lewis_and_Clark> I was chatting with BB earlier
[15:39] <Lewis_and_Clark> didn't say anything about it
[15:39] <Moo-Cows> New Kervoskia as well
[15:39] <Lewis_and_Clark> interesting
*chuckles*thechurchofsatan wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 20:40They do have like 14 years of history to remember or forget.
And on the 21stKandarin approached me today about help with TEP.
Gnid has gone inactive....sort of. He logs into his nation, but does not answer telegrams, and doesn't swap endorsements. He doesn't login to the TEP forum. His endos are dropping fast.
I suggested Dali, and he's not opposed. However, there is a fly in the ointment. Loop has been endo swapping, and is 45 away from the delegacy.
Loop has not been endorsing everyone though.
Dali is about 70 endos away from Gnid. So I'm hoping he'll show up somewhere tonight, so I can get him together with Kandy - who is anxious to get something going.
Had a conference with Kandy, Dali and myself.
Kandy agreed to having Dali endo swap towards the Delegacy.
But a side note, that Dark is also in TEP and is a 'candidate' for delegate.
Loop has been swapping at Kandy's request.
He also agreed to having me move a puppet into TEP and being an advisor there.
I have talked to Gates, and he has agreed to send GV help when asked. His price for the help is UN votes (naturally). Makes little difference to me.
I mentioned to Kandy that I might have a way to contact Gnid. He replied that if they hadn't already been able to get ahold of him, he couldn't be contacted. So I'll leave it at that.
The United States of Grub
Received: 2 days ago Hi *redacted*,
We have had a few of your long time members voice their displeasure with the recent events over there. Are you also unhappy with all that has happened? I understand that you too have a nice position over there, but if you feel like that organization is going against what you believe, let me know. If you are happy over there then I am sorry to have bothered you.
Grub
Hi Grub!
Thank you for you message.
I'm not entirely sure whether I'm satisfied either with the current goings-on in Equilism. But it's Equilism, so criticism is always permitted and reforms of the Constitution and re-enacting of a democratic system are underway.
However, I'm interested to know who those "long time members" of whom you speak are. If I do decide to leave Equilism, I'd know who to look out for. And I'd also like to hear their concerns.
I hope to hear from you soon!
*redacted*
The North Pacific Codex
Governance of The North Pacific
Section 1 - The Government
Subsection A - The highest authority in The North Pacific is The Delegate. The The North Pacific Codex affirms this authority and recognizes The Delegate's wishes concerning regional governance.
Subsection B - Governance of The North Pacific is invested in The High Council The North Pacific.
Section 2 - The High Council of The North Pacific
The High Council shall be composed of those offices so chosen by The Delegate. It shall serve The Delegate, representing the region in the exercise of it's duties.
Subsection A - Service in The High Council shall be at the pleasure of The Delegate. The Honor of title and authority shall be obtained through merit, activity, and proven ability.
Subsection B - The High Council may, with the indulgence of The Delegate, create Officiates which shall be offices of The North Pacific that have specified duties.
Subsection C - The High Council shall be composed of the following:
- Lord Advocate General for Judicial Affairs
The Lord Advocate General serves the primary purpose of enforcing the will of The Delegate. The Lord Advocate General will preside over all hearings, trials and adjudications in the region. Deriving his authority from the will of The Delegate, he will have primacy in these matters and authority over all judgments and verdicts. Further, the Lord Advocate General will have the right to appoint Inquisitors in time of need.
The Lord Advocate General can interpret and expand upon existing law as needed.
- Lord Marshal General for Defense and Security
The Bureau of Intrigue, headed by the Praetor, is responsible for Regional Security and carries out Intelligence Operations througout NationStates. The Bureau provides security guidelines for the region and analyses collected information in regard to Regional and Allied Security.
The Imperial Guard and Guardians of the Realm, to be headed by the Protector of the Realm and Praetor of the Imperial Guard, is responsible for the use of military force and the defense of The North Pacific. The Praetor will also be responsible for commanding the The Imperial Guard. The Guard is subject to the Authority of the The Delegate, and/or those appointed into such a position by The Delegate. The Imperial Guard shall act for the defense of the The North Pacific region, its allies and friendly regions deemed to be under attack by aggressor regions.
- Lord Ambassador General for International Affairs
International Affairs, to be headed by Lord Ambassador General, will be responsible for maintaining and opening relations with regions and organizations outside of The North Pacific. International Affairs will also be responsible for appointing and receiving ambassadors from other regions. This Department has the responsibility to negotiate alliances, write treaties and communicate with foreign regions and organisations.
- Lord Commissioner General for Internal Affairs
Internal Affairs, headed by the Lord Commissioner General, will be responsible for keeping up to date with the happenings in the region, communicate with (new) members and provide information to regional members. IA shall also initiate and oversee activities for the general entertainment of the The North Pacific member nations.
The Immigration Agency is a sub-department of Internal Affairs. Immigration is responsible for seeking out new nations and encouraging them to join and participate in the The North Pacific Region.
- The Regional Assembly
The Concilium, headed by the Praetor, shall have the responsibility of representing the citizenry of The North Pacific to the Imperial Government. It shall have the responsiblity of recommending legislation to The High Council, and assisting the Bureaus in their various operations.
Section 3 - The Regional Assembly
The Regional Assembly is hereby established to further enhance the political body and the voice of the citizens of The North Pacific.
Subsection A: Duties and Responsibilites
The Regional Assembly is charged with the responsibility of representing the ideas and concerns of the citizens of The North Pacific. In carrying out this responsibility, The Regional Assembly shall have the following duties:
1. Consideration of all matters of import concerning the region.
2. Discuss, debate, write, and present resolutions for the consideration of The High Council.
3. Enact it's own internal procedures.
4. Regional Assembly members are required to actively participate in regional Immigration through recruitment efforts.
a - Regional Assembly members may opt-out of recruitment efforts after a period of no less than two weeks. This option can only be used when a member chooses to actively participate in one of the following: International Affairs, Defense and Security, Internal Affairs
Active participation in one of these areas must be approved and validated by the appropriate Lord General.
Subsection B: Oversight
Oversight shall be the responsibility of The High Council. The Preator of the Concilium shall have the duties of direct oversight, as well as liason between The Concilium and The High Council.
Subsection C: Requirements
In order to be a member of The Regional Assembly, the following requirements must be met:
1. The candidate must be an The North Pacific citizen in good standing.
2. The Candidate must show a minimum of two weeks presence in the region and on the forum.
3. The candidate must sign the Oath of The Concilium.
Subsection D: Removal
Tribunes may be removed from office by The High Council or The Delegate under the following conditions.
1. Inactivity after 14 days
2. Violations of Guidelines and Laws
3. Failure to carry out the duties and responsibilities enumerated in Section 1.
4. Conduct unbecoming a member of The Concilium
Section 4 - Citizenship
Citizenship in The North Pacific is attained through the residence of a nation within the region.
Subsection A - Nations that are UN members are granted the right to indicate their vote on UN resolutions on the forum.
Subsection B - Nations that have primary citizenship in another region may apply for dual-citizenship.
Section 5 - UN Delegate
The UN Delegate of The North Pacific shall vote on UN resolutions based upon polling of the UN member nations of The North Pacific.
Section 6 - Criminal Offences in The North Pacific
These laws are hereby declared effective, in the interests of maintaining order and the sovereignty of The North Pacific and of protecting the rights of its member nations.
From now on, the following attempts at these acts, successful or unsuccessful, shall be prosecutable offences in the region of The North Pacific, which shall demand punishment as determined by the Consul of Laws and Imperial Inquisitor:
1. Posting of any content considering spamming, including content that is obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory, or otherwise understood to be spam is prohibited.
a). This applies to a nation's name, motto, and other customisable fields, any messages written, images posted, or any other content uploaded or linked.
2. The practice of "griefing" is prohibited. Griefing is playing with the primary aim of annoying or upsetting other people.
3. Attempting to steal another nation's identity is prohibited.
4. Any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords is prohibited.
5. Nations that threaten the security of the region, through threat or action, shall be subject to removal and criminal action.
a). Organizing, promoting, or conspiring to enage in an unendorsement campaign against the delegate is prohibited.
6. Treason: No nation shall work intentionally to the detriment of The North Pacific or Allied regions or organizations, to directly or indirectly attack or weaken the region or its allies. This is capital offense.
7. Insurrection: No nation shall intentionally attempt to overthrow, violate or ignore the authority of the reigning government established by The The North Pacific Codex or undermine any rule of The The North Pacific Codex itself. This is a capital offense.
8. Espionage: No nation shall attempt to to collect and/or disclose sensitive information to nations that are not specifically privy to that information or somehow purposely aid in such an inappropriate transfer of information. Nations are also not allowed to attempt to collect information that they are not privy to know themselves. These are capital offences.
9. Military Aggression: No nation shall engage in military action unsanctioned by the government of The North Pacific against anyone, anywhere and at any time. This is a capital offence.
10. Coercion: No nation shall attempt to force other member states to act against their will by threats of violence, humiliation or the deprivation of rights and services typically enjoyed by members of Nation States.
11. Perjury: No nations shall lie while testifying before a court of law or any government branch.
12. Conspiracy: No nations shall conspire with others to achieve the offences listed here.
13. Concealment: No nation shall attempt to conceal the perpetration of the offences listed here, including this one.
Furthermore, all actions not listed here, but listed as prohibited in any other official government document are to be taken as criminal offences.
Section 7 - Rights of Nations
1. Self-determination. Each nation state will maintain the right to govern itself in accordance with its own customs and desires.
2. Freedom of speech. The Freedom of Speech within The North Pacific shall be maintained within the common bonds of propriety, and within those rules governing all participation and etiquette in NationStates. Forum Guidelines and Regional Law shall always be enforced.
3. All UN nations will have the right to participate and vote on each UN Resolution.
4. The UN Delegate of The North Pacific shall vote in accordance with the will of the reigon, by vote of UN nations on the forum.
5. All nations will have the right to a trial in accordance to the The North Pacific Codex and Law.
Grub was a uh, in the nicest words possible, a jerk.Westwind wrote: ↑21 Apr 2019, 21:30And then there was Grub at 10000 Islands trying to poach Equilism players:
February 22, 2008
The United States of Grub
Received: 2 days ago Hi *redacted*,
We have had a few of your long time members voice their displeasure with the recent events over there. Are you also unhappy with all that has happened? I understand that you too have a nice position over there, but if you feel like that organization is going against what you believe, let me know. If you are happy over there then I am sorry to have bothered you.
Grub
Hi Grub!Thank you for you message.
I'm not entirely sure whether I'm satisfied either with the current goings-on in Equilism. But it's Equilism, so criticism is always permitted and reforms of the Constitution and re-enacting of a democratic system are underway.
However, I'm interested to know who those "long time members" of whom you speak are. If I do decide to leave Equilism, I'd know who to look out for. And I'd also like to hear their concerns
I hope to hear from you soon!
*redacted*
I never had any issues with him personally and worked closely with him via ADN. Equilism founder Equility was first recruited to 10KI, and then founded Equilism to establish his own Defender region in January '04.Grub was a uh, in the nicest words possible, a jerk.
My Osiris nation was Siberian Khatru. I did not actively pursue the Delegacy or seek endorsements. Once I saw the mess in Osiris, I knew it was pointless.1. Which nation did you try to become the Delegate of Osiris with?
No, though I maintain a couple puppet regions. The Watchtower and another that I'll leave secret....it's just a silly region that interacts with other silly regions. I don't want to put a 'Westwind' label on it.2. Have you thought of joining any other regions since your retirement?
Meritocracy every time. Just say 'No' to mob rule.3. Democracy or Meritocracy?
It depends upon the position and my RL situation.4. If asked, would you take up a job in TWP again?
*chuckles* I don't really dislike Discord, although I'm sure it seems that way.5. Why don't you like Discord?
No, there was one before Westwind, but I do not recall it's name. It was before Christmas 2003, and the holidays were too busy for me to pay attention to a new game. So Westwind was founded when I returned to take another look in January '04.6. Is Westwind your first nation?
Hmmm....that's not as easy.7. Favorite GCR other than TWP?
I dunno, I'd just say all of Equilism again. There was alot of support among Imperialist regions too, I greatly appreciated their support.8. Who was your most vocal supporter during TCO?
I don't recall where my first nation was founded, just as I don't recall it's name. Westwind was founded in TWP, moved to TNP, then to Equilism.9. Where were you in NS before TWP, TNP, and Equilism?
I've not thought about it seriously since my TWP Delegacy, though it is one of the few things that still interests me in NS. I do enjoy serving as a GCR Delegate, and think I do a fair job. I'd prefer someone else lead the government though.10. Have you ever thought of becoming a GCR Delegate again, excluding Osiris?
I'm not involved with it, so it's hard for me to comment much. I'm not a citizen (I disagree with having citizenship oaths, I removed them when I was both TNP ant TWP Delegate....I even refuse the sign the oath in Equilism, and I'm Co-Founder). However I have no issues with the current government.11. How do you feel about TWP's current government?
All GCR governments are Oligarchies. They are not Democracies, they are not Dictatorships, there are Oligarchies. Some Oligarchies are managed through elections among the Oligarchy members, others are managed via the Meritocracy of it's Oligarchy members.12. What are your opinions on all GCR governments?
I don't think about it, no. There was much potential though. I know everyone thought I was going to try to be a permanent Delegate ala NPO, but it was never my intention to stay in the Delegacy longer than six months, and then a successor would take over. Whether that succession would have been by designating an heir or via elections would have depended upon the situation in the region.13. Do you ever think about what might've happened if you would've not lost the seat in TNP? Think as if The Crimson Order was permanent, and effectively replaced TNP's prior government.
I've run up high in Endorsements in The Pacific, in TEP and TSP to replace sleeping Delegates. Inactive Delegates must be removed to protect the regions and the game. GCRs and new players deserve an active Delegate. You don't have a founder to fall back upon.14. Have you tried to coup any other GCRs?
I received an email about NS from my first wife. It was only one of three times I'd heard from her since we divorced. She knew me well enough to know I'd enjoy NS.15. How did you find NS?
The Puppetmaster liberation of TNP from Great Bight.16. Favorite moment on NS as a whole?
My memory is too hazy on the timing to pin that down exactly. I recall EM's coup, but not it's timing. It had no impact on TCO. How did I feel? I found EM disgusting.17. Were you a citizen of TNP when Emperor Matthuis couped and handed over his nation to Neo/New Kervoskia? If so, did this impact TCO in any way? How did you feel?
Any Delegate that's not JAL.18. Favorite GCR Delegate ever?
I am in touch with JAL outside of NS. Dali and I exchange a telegram now and then. NK I may not have spoken with since TCO...although my memory tickles me in the back of my head and makes me think I talked to him once or twice since. Many are gone from NS, or are 'retired' and lurk here and there. Felasia was a part and big supporter of the Crimson Order, but in following years turned against it and condemned it in favor of Defenderism. He and I had an unfortunate disagreement in Equilism later. But again, I follow his RL successes outside of NS and I am very proud of him.20. When was the last time you spoke with NK, Durk/JAL, Dali, and co?
How about this? During negotiations with Flem and GBM for my withdrawl, before Elu stole the Delegacy, I had written this Farewell Address that was not delivered:19. Any notable moments from TCO you'd like to share?
Citizens, Players, Friends -
All things come to an end in due time. Change is an endless stream that travels through this life, this universe in which we live. And now change is upon us once again. In a time of endings, there are opportunities for new beginnings. And sometimes new beginnings themselves bring endings.
The concept of The Crimson Order was born out of stagnation in NationStates. From nearly a year of silence from Admin and uneven moderator responsiveness - "Admin is Dead, the Mods have Abandon us!" Combined with a steady and increasing rate of decline in player numbers and interest. But in recent weeks we have seen the facelift that has been given to NS, the addition of new features, the closing of coding loopholes, the replacement of the UN with the WA, and the announcement of NationStates 2. Admin is not dead, and the mods have not abandon us. The basis for the concept of The Crimson Order was no longer relevent, a fact that I reflected in the renaming and flag change of Lewis and Clark at that time.
Unfortunately, due to RL issues and constraints, I was unable to follow up that fact with further changes in efforts for The North Pacific.
TNP needs active and concerned leadership. I cannot provide such leadership with my current personal situation. I have confidence in the trustworthiness and true concern for the region of Great Bights Mum. While she has been the endorsement leader of the opposition to my delegacy, I have never held any opposition to her personally.
Work together and unify the region. Do not stifle each other's voices and opinions. Don't drive good players away through devisive bickering. It shouldn't be difficult to cordially, respectfully, disagree. While acknowledging that we are all striving for a common goal of an active and vital community here in TNP, that is a part of the larger NS community.
But all I really want to say is 'thank you' to you all. Thank you for the opportunity to enjoy this game with you. Thank you for the opportunity to get to know some of you. Thank you for the opportunity to work with you, to choose sides with you, choose directions with you, build ideas together with you. Thank you for the time we've shared here in this corner of cyberspace. And Best Wishes to each and every one of you in your endeavors and efforts.
Be good to each other. I'll see ya 'round.
Peace
GBM as my first Vice-Delegate, but of course I needed to replace her when I abandoned the forum. (As she was the opposition lead thereafter, in reality, she was always Vice Delegate -TNP was always safe) Then I appointed Nastic. When he was no longer active enough, I appointed The Two-Slit Experiment. They were both listed in the last days of my Delegacy.
Notables from all over have showed up, and all have shown an agreement that something has to be done, and more generally that what needs to be done is to have a great conflict.
*redacted* ADN:DSA Minister, December 13, 2007Honestly, I'm open to just about anything as long as we go ahead and do it.
Revive the ADN, but have it return as a bad cop version of the old entity and have it invade other regions.
Then there was this idea:TRR would stand to benefit the most from any Destroyers scheme, if they exploited the situation well.
This was being considered as part of theThe Eradication of Invader Home Regions....the Genocide of the Raider Regions
BTW, Gatesville would have been a member of this new ADN.Reformation of the ADN
That plan was retaliating against regions that adspam the TNP RMB.If I could take the TNP delegacy and impose a new government, the North Pacific Army could be reinvigorated to join with the E-Army to form a new power block.
Then, from TNP, make the pronoucements against the RMB spammers, with support from Equilism, and go from there.