Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Delegate Elections

[Catalyse]

Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Delegate Elections

In Article 7, section F, the following will be added: " Elections for Delegate shall be held six months after the last challenge against the Delegate that has reached a vote. ".

Relatively simple. I don't like how I wrote it but I can't think of better wording right now.

Instead of having a set date for Delegate Elections I thought we could make it flexible to go with the challenge system. It stops the unnecessary situation of having a scheduled election like two months after a Delegate was elected. How unlikely that may be, I think making the election date flexible isn't a bad idea.

The only issue with this would for the Speaker to remember when the last challenge was. I think a simple pinned topic with the eleciton schedule could alleviate that problem though.

[frattastan]

Seems like a good idea.

For the wording, I'm sure someone else will have a better suggestion, but it could be something like:

Should no challenge happen earlier, an election for Delegate will begin six months after the previous one, as if a challenge had been made.

Alternatively, "on the first day of the sixth month after...".

[Catalyse]

That sounds like it's twisting the meaning of what I inteded though.

[Manson]

I like the way Cat worded it better.

[frattastan]

That sounds like it's twisting the meaning of what I inteded though.

Reading it again, probably, so I'll stick to your suggestion.

[Catalyse]

That sounds like it's twisting the meaning of what I inteded though.

Reading it again, probably, so I'll stick to your suggestion.

*flexes superior legislating skills*

[John Laurens]

I think the term should be three to four months, in my option. It would create a little bit more pressure to perform

[Nequedum]

For.

I'm happy with this being implemented as is, but a minor edit that makes it a little clearer in my mind could be,

[quote]Constitutional Amendment XVIII: Delegate Elections

In Article 7, section F, the following will be added: "Elections for the Delegate position shall automatically take place after a six month term following the closest Delegate vote, considering Delegate challenges that reach a vote as closest Delegate votes as well.".

[Fauxia]

I agree with Constie. 6 months is fine, but I like 4. In a GCR, 3 is probably too common

[Guy]

I wouldn't vote in favour of anything shorter than 6 months. 12 Months would be my preference.

The wording in Catalyse's post is the best, imo.

[frattastan]

Even if it's been the 'standard' for the last few years, twelve months is way too long as a term (ie, something that one, from the moment they are elected, is expected to serve fully unless exceptional circumstances prevent them to).

I think it should be longer than an Officer term, so six months is my favourite option.

[Catalyse]

I wouldn't support anything shorter than six months either. Three months is even shorter than the current officer terms, and the Delegate position is very much different to those.

[John Laurens]

I think that if we have terms of 6 months Administration fatigue sets in. I'd also support having the Delegate and new officers elected at the same time.

[Catalyse]

Electing the Delegate so often puts an unnecessary strain on the security and stability of the region and makes the challenge system for the Delegate elections a bit questionable. I cannot support anything shorter than six months, and I'm not inclined to support anything close to a year either.

[frattastan]

Four months is doable - TNP and TEP do it, after all - but for a start I'd like to go with six.

[Nequedum]

Do we take this to a vote now, or is this the vote?

[frattastan]

Vote is always in a separate topic.
It is opened at discretion of the Speaker, and usually only once debate has been fully exhausted.

... about that, weren't we supposed to have an election for Speaker this month? >_>

[Nequedum]

Hm... Sounds like something I should challenge for :>

[Catalyse]

Four months is doable - TNP and TEP do it, after all - but for a start I'd like to go with six.

The Delegates in those regions also have way more say on cabinet composition than the Delegate does here, so when you're electing a Delegate you're also electing a Cabinet that can be (re)staffed at will by the Delegate by people they have a good working relation with. I don't think the election cycles of other regions can apply to TRR when cabinet dynamics are different.

[Guy]

Cat is going to hate me a little bit, but I think this is more in line with what we'd done for Officer:

Add the following at the end of Article 7, Clause B:

A challenge for Delegate will be considered to have been submitted, and elections begun, if six months have elapsed from the last vote for Delegate.

This is an alternative version, that ensures those elections start on the 1st:

Add the following at the end of Article 7, Clause B:

A challenge for Delegate will be considered to have been submitted, and elections begun, at the beginning of the first month following six months having elapsed from the last vote for Delegate.

[thechurchofsatan]

If we're talking fixed terms I think Guy's suggestion of one year is best.

[Nequedum]

Yeah. I'd like for it to follow the same formatting as the Officer election clause.

I second Guy's edits, and maintain my position in favour of 6 months.

[John Laurens]

Electing the Delegate so often puts an unnecessary strain on the security and stability of the region and makes the challenge system for the Delegate elections a bit questionable. I cannot support anything shorter than six months, and I'm not inclined to support anything close to a year either.

Maybe shorten the term to four months then abolish Delegate challenges, and replacing them with a recall then special election clause. As Fratt points out, lots of GCRs can handle 4 month terms with no issue. The main issue I have with a 6 month term is how complacent we can get with the Delegacy. With the incumbent advantage, we run the risk of having bad ends of terms. The only way I would support 6 months is if we ban reelection.

[Catalyse]

We are not like other GCRs, we do not have a government setup like other TEP or TNP. Would you prefer the current situation of indefinite terms over a six month term?

I won't support barring the Delegate for reelection either. That's just silly.

[John Laurens]

We are not like other GCRs, we do not have a government setup like other TEP or TNP. Would you prefer the current situation of indefinite terms over a six month term?

I won't support barring the Delegate for reelection either. That's just silly.

Would you really say it's one choice or the other, Cat? The beautiful part of legislating is that we can do nearly anything. I think that it is important to explore all options we have for reforming elections here.